FAQ
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Pricing
How do you price permanent lighting?
We charge by the foot: simple, honest, no hidden fees. Your written quote spells out everything before any work starts. The free measure confirms the feet and the lights you choose.
What does lighting cost on average?
On average, permanent lights run about $3,000 and Christmas lights about $600; smaller homes often cost less, and the free measure gives your exact written quote. Short runs are priced at the same per-foot rates as long ones.
How much might my roofline cost?
It depends on the feet you light, the lights and spacing you choose, and access. Gables measure longer than they look, because each one is two sloped runs. The free measure confirms every run, and your written quote gives the exact price.
Are there hidden fees?
No. Anything beyond the footage, such as tax, a lift for a tall gable or electrical work, is listed in your written quote before any work starts.
How do I get an exact price?
Book the free measure. We confirm the layout, mounting and access at your house, and your written quote gives the exact price before any work starts.
Do you charge for the measure?
The measure is free. It confirms the layout, mounting and access needed for a written quote.
Is there a travel charge?
Ask for any travel or access charges to be confirmed before arranging a visit, especially outside the listed service areas.
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The lights and the system
What is permanent lighting, exactly?
A low-voltage (24 V) strand of individually controllable RGBW LED lights mounted along the roofline in a low-profile channel that matches the fascia, run from a controller and a phone app. Warm white every evening, colors for holidays and game days, and the ladder stays in the garage.
What system do you install?
Minleon RGBW+2. Each light has red, green, blue and dedicated white diodes, so white is a true white rather than a blend. We install pebbles, deep pebbles, D35 pucks, C9 bulbs, magnetic pebbles, S14 bistro bulbs and J40 diamond tree lights, all on the same controller family.
Why Minleon instead of Trimlight, Jellyfish or Gemstone?
Those are single-product franchise systems installed only by their dealers. Minleon is sold through independent dealers and comes in four mounting styles (track, magnetic, clip, wrap) and several light types. Our comparison pages lay out the specs side by side.
Are the lights visible during the day?
The channel is low-profile and comes in white, brown, light brown, gray, sand and black, matched to your fascia. Visibility depends on the light shape, finish, mounting position and viewing distance. Ask to see a sample in daylight.
How bright are they?
The D35 puck is rated at 28 lumens in warm white by Minleon and is the brightest single light we install. Deep pebbles are the brightest pebble. Brightness is adjustable in the app from 1% to 100%; choose the brightness that suits your home and nearby neighbors.
What's the difference between 6, 12 and 15-inch spacing?
Lights per foot: two, one, or 0.8. Twelve inches is the standard roofline look. Fifteen uses fewer lights and suits long, straight runs. Six turns the roofline into a continuous ribbon of light. For the same light, closer spacing means more lights, so it costs more per foot.
Can I get just warm white?
Yes. Warm white can be your default everyday scene. The color capability costs nothing extra on the Minleon system, so it's there when you want it.
Installation
How is it attached to my house?
The color-matched channel is bonded to the fascia with 3M VHB tape on a cleaned surface, with brackets at corners and joints. No screws through the roof, no penetrations in the drip edge or shingles. Magnetic Pebble uses magnets on a steel drip edge; C9 Classic uses clips.
Will it damage my fascia or void my roof warranty?
Mounting must be matched to the fascia and roof details. Adhesives can lift paint during removal, and warranty conditions differ by roofing manufacturer. Confirm the proposed method and any warranty implications before installation.
How long does installation take?
The number of runs, roof height, mounting method, weather and access affect the schedule. A measure is needed before confirming the installation duration.
Where does the controller go?
In the garage or a weather-rated box near an exterior outlet. The measure checks the available power and outlet protection; if the controller needs a new outlet, we bring in a licensed electrician to add it.
Do you need a permit or an electrical license for this?
Requirements depend on the location, electrical scope and installation method, so confirm the permits that apply to your address before installation. When a job needs electrical work, we bring in licensed electricians we trust. Permanent Lights NW, a trade name of BTN Homes LLC · WA contractor reg. BTNHOHL796B9 · OR CCB 261227.
Can you install in the rain?
Surface preparation and installation conditions must follow the selected adhesive and mounting system instructions. Weather may change the schedule; confirm any return visits and charges in the quote.
What if my drip edge is aluminum?
Then magnets won't hold and we use track on the fascia below the drip edge. Most new roofs have aluminum drip edge; many older reroofs have steel. We test with a magnet at the measure.
Weather and durability
Do they survive Pacific Northwest rain, wind and ice?
Outdoor ratings apply to specific components and conditions. Ask for the selected product specifications and a mounting plan suited to your exposure. No installation is immune to storm damage; the quote should explain weather-related service and warranty exclusions.
What about moss and gutter cleaning?
The channel sits on the fascia below the drip edge, outside the gutter, so gutter cleaning is unaffected. Moss treatments run off the roof into the gutter, not onto the channel. We recommend telling your gutter cleaner the channel is there so ladders are set beside it.
How long do the lights last?
Minleon rates its C9 bulb for a 10-year lifespan; the pucks and pebbles are sealed IP66 LEDs. Individual lights twist-lock into the strand, so a failed light is swapped in a minute without rewiring.
HOAs
Will my HOA allow permanent lighting?
Approval depends on your specific association. Submit the proposed mounting, channel color, lighting schedule and product information to its architectural committee. Our guide includes a letter template; it does not guarantee approval.
What if my HOA only allows lights during the holidays?
The track is off and nearly invisible by day the rest of the year, and the schedule in the app can be set to holiday dates only. Ask your association whether the permanent hardware is allowed and what dates, colors and hours it permits.
App and control
How do I control the lights?
From the Minleon app on your phone: on/off, brightness, colors, patterns, schedules and zones. We set up a nightly warm-white schedule and a few holiday scenes before we leave, and show you how in ten minutes.
Can I set schedules and zones?
Yes. Dusk-to-dawn or fixed times, saved months ahead. Zones are per controller port (two on the dual-port controller), so front and back on separate schedules is standard, and a second controller adds more zones.
Does it work with Alexa or Google?
The app is the primary control. Voice integrations vary by controller generation; ask at the measure and we'll confirm for the controller we install.
What happens if the Wi-Fi goes down?
The controller keeps running its saved schedule. You lose remote control until Wi-Fi returns; the lights don't notice.
Warranty and maintenance
What's the warranty?
We provide a lifetime warranty on the lights, 10 years on the controller and 1 year on installation workmanship. Your written quote confirms the coverage, what a service visit costs, and how to request one.
What does maintenance look like?
Check the lights and mounting periodically, keep access clear and follow the manufacturer care instructions. Tree wraps need to accommodate growth. Confirm whether inspection visits are offered, what they include and their cost.
Energy use
How much electricity do they use?
Minleon's datasheets put a pebble at 0.36 watts and a D35 puck at 0.45 watts at full output. A 220-light pebble install at four hours a night is about 9.5 kWh a month: about 85 cents on Clark Public Utilities (8.79¢/kWh), about $1.90 on Portland General Electric (about 20¢/kWh all-in). Colored scenes use less than full white.
Seasonal Christmas lights
Do you also hang regular Christmas lights?
Yes. Commercial-grade single-color C9s on clips, with January takedown and storage included; in later seasons we re-hang the lights we stored. On average, Christmas lights run about $600; smaller homes often cost less, and the free measure gives your exact written quote. We charge by the foot: simple, honest, no hidden fees. Your written quote spells out everything before any work starts.
When should I book seasonal lights?
Ask about available dates ahead of the holiday you are planning for. An installation date is confirmed with your quote; this website does not guarantee a pre-Thanksgiving slot.
Can you hang lights I already own?
We hang our own commercial strands so we can warrant them. Quality customer-owned C9 strands in good shape can sometimes be re-hung at the re-hang rate after testing.
Permanent or seasonal: which should I choose?
Seasonal C9 service is hung for the holidays and taken down in January, and you pay for a re-hang each season; a permanent system is installed once and lit every night of the year. On average, permanent lights run about $3,000 and Christmas lights about $600; smaller homes often cost less, and the free measure gives your exact written quote. Seasonal keeps the initial project smaller; compare the total over the years you expect to use it.
More detail: Christmas light installation cost · Christmas light ideas · Christmas light colors
Commercial and HOA common areas
Do you do commercial buildings and HOA common areas?
Yes: storefronts, restaurants, breweries, office parks, clubhouses and entry monuments. Brand colors nightly, holiday scenes on schedule, and the D35 puck for the brightest line. Commercial quotes are per project after a site visit.
More detail: Commercial Christmas light installation
About us
Are you licensed and insured?
Yes. We're a registered contractor in Washington and licensed with Oregon's Construction Contractors Board: Permanent Lights NW, a trade name of BTN Homes LLC · WA contractor reg. BTNHOHL796B9 · OR CCB 261227 · Insured. When a job needs electrical work, we bring in licensed electricians we trust.
Where are you based and where do you work?
Vancouver, Washington. We serve all of Clark County and the Portland suburbs from Lake Oswego to Hillsboro to Gresham. Every city has its own page with local detail.
Who does the work?
Permanent Lights NW is a trade name of BTN Homes LLC. When a job needs electrical work, we bring in licensed electricians we trust. Your quote should identify the responsible installer and the scope of any electrical work.
How fast do you respond?
Call or text (360) 369-0936 to discuss your lighting. We agree the measurement time and installation schedule directly; no response time or appointment is guaranteed by this website.
Can I see real installs near me?
The gallery shows lighting inspiration and credited manufacturer hardware photos. These scenes are visualizations rather than completed local jobs. Contact us about current installation examples.
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